A Global Army of Veteran Rockers
Thomas: I have spent a lot of time thinking about this. Which shows either this is a very important topic, or I have no life whatsoever. I humor myself about the importance.
Stan everyone should have a passion-luckily you picked the coolest thing to be passionate about!
Unfortunately those who aren't passionate about Rock and Roll always seem to have a half-assed opinion about it anyway haha
I guess my thesis question is this: If Punk can get harsher/faster and become Hardcore; and, if Heavy Metal can beget Grindcore by distilling it's harshest elements (noise, distortion, volume, screams) into a short blast, can Pop music also evolve in the same way?
Is such a genre possible where every song is basically straight singalong choruses and catchy hooks, with very concise intros, outros, bridges, etc. ?
I know most would not consider such a future to be something to look forward to, but, all good taste aside, I've wondered about it. Sort of a Bubblegum version of early Deathray Davies or an amped up Adventures In Stereo?
I've often thought that Bob Pollard's M.O. was to create a sound where all the best parts of his favorite rock songs were distilled from the originals to create a more condensed version of his record collection. I wonder if such a body of work can be create with Pop music as it's foundation?
Deep lyrics are definitely optional for me. They should never get in the way of the tune IMHO. Hanson's "Mmmbop" has borderline insipid lyrics but somehow it works for me. A happy medium, where a deep feeling is suggested but doesn't hammer the listener over the head is ideal.
In posing that question, I did not intend to criticize any Tribester's contributions to this thread. I'm the last person to try and pull any of that "taste police" nonsense.
But "perfection" implies 1) a set of criteria and 2) excludes subjectivity. And my query was a sincere attempt to fish out ideas on "pop perfection"
Nice definition by Stan above. The big three requirements for me are: hooks, melody, and sing-along choruses. Generally speaking, a "perfect" pop song is going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of three minutes in length-- you get in, you get out and leave the audience wanting more.
I heard an interview with Marshall Crenshaw where he also set the time limit at approximately 3 minutes, so you're in fine company Jack.
I was wondering-what if a song has a hummable melody and sing-along choruses but is short on hooks? I thought of 2 examples: "Twisterella" by Ride and "Cruel To Be Kind" by Nick Lowe. Both have only one hook-a wonderful sing along chorus. But its definitely enough on both counts. Pop perfection. Does mood matter? Both songs have a cheery mood. Another song, "Halah" by Mazzy Star, also has a nice melody plus a sing along chorus. But-the mood is melancholy. As a result, I wouldn't even call it a pop song, let alone perfect pop.
I do think you can have a melancholy pop song. "Waterloo Sunset" is the perfect example.
But "Waterloo Sunset" is an exception because is has another prominent hook-the lead guitar that mimics the vocals throughout the song, giving it a poppier sound.
My god can we PUH-leeeeze get another album from Evan and Jaron? (i.e. good call, Stan)
Nothing since 2004, did someone die?
"Crazy For This Girl" by them is excellent.
I had only heard of Evan and Jaron by stumbling upon a recent project of Jaron's-The Cordovas. It's Americana/Laurel Canyon sound, although it looks like he's moved on from this as well: